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⚫ Introduction to episode 31 with Kai Micah Mills. ⚫ Show notes. ⚫ Cryonics for pets. ⚫ Reviving a rat. ⚫ CryoDAO and HydraDAO ⚫ The forgotten Timeship project. ⚫ “You give deathism an inch, it takes a mile.”

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There is a passage in Bryan Johnson’s and Kai Micah Mills’ backstories that, on the surface, seems interchangeable: a Mormon upbringing, a break from it, and a blunt conclusion that death is the problem.

Beyond that, though, they go in separate directions. Johnson has become the avatar of quantified self-care protocols. It's all questionable supplement stacks, misleading biomarkers and boring food. But, as Kai concludes in our latest episode of the LEVITY podcast, “You are not going to sleep score your way to immortality”.

That quote tells you two things. One, Kai is often very funny. And two, he’s adamant that we should use the I-word.

“Death should just be opposed in all forms […] You give deathism an inch, it takes a mile. And you are a deathist organization before you even blink.”

If “don’t die” is the slogan, Kai Micah Mills is the one furiously building the hardware and infrastructure to give it a chance.

First, there’s Cryopets: a for-profit cryonics provider for animals. They haven’t preserved any pets yet, but demand is surprisingly high - a waitlist in the low thousands and hundreds signing up each week in the hope of giving their companions a future. The irony, of course, is that some owners may not live to see a revival. It’s a strange asymmetry: many people will consider biostasis for a pet long before they’ll consider it for themselves. Kai thinks that will change and sees Cryopets as “a gateway drug to human cryo.”

In parallel he’s running CryoDAO and HydraDAO, two decentralized science (DeSci) projects. DeSci here means a crypto-backed community funding specific experiments.

CryoDAO raised $3M initially and now holds well over $10M; its flagship CryoRat raised $1M in a few hours for a two-year attempt to revive a non-hibernating mammal from high sub-zero temperatures.

Should CryoDAO succeed with CryoRat, it would be a landmark proof of concept - further evidence that cryonics is edging from idea to reality.

“I’m quite confident on us actually pulling it off […] It’s like a springboard project. It gets scientists to work on this, gets people excited, gets people to say, ‘shit, this is gonna be possible’.”

For Kai, biostasis is one of just a few routes towards what he insists on calling immortality. The other is the replacement strategy: swapping out worn-out organs, whole bodies and, eventually, even the brain - the latter in gradual steps, so that continuity of self is preserved.

That conviction led him to found HydraDAO, funding projects in whole-body and brain replacement.

“My suspicion and my feeling is that if we want radical life extension, the approach is going to have to be radical. And that's probably going to look a little Frankenstein for a while.”

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